tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post3894388219959478298..comments2023-10-10T10:07:32.956-04:00Comments on Miss Medicina: Spec DebatesMiss Medicinahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08722915845184864567noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-7581877116787969362009-11-06T18:38:52.576-05:002009-11-06T18:38:52.576-05:00@Jess: I have no idea where they're getting t...@Jess: I have no idea where they're getting their numbers from, frankly. It seems to me that the sample size they're working with is far too small or something. The talent adds the percent in after your full spell coefficient, which they seem to be doing wrong, too. Here's what EJ has listed and I just checked myself:<br /><br />Gheal base: 161.11%<br />Gheal talented: 225.6%<br />Fheal base: 80.7%<br />Fheal talented: 96.68%<br /><br />There's a chart here if you want to take a look: http://elitistjerks.com/f77/t54618-wotlk_healing_compendium_v3_2_same_old_thing/<br /><br />I'm currently typing up mana regen forumlae for a blog post, so I'm swimming in numbers already, yay!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-40415862566012970792009-11-06T16:31:42.359-05:002009-11-06T16:31:42.359-05:00@MoarHPS
Well, I'm trying to do the math to c...@MoarHPS<br /><br />Well, I'm trying to do the math to compare Empowered Healing benefit. I'm using the data from wowwiki, but I'm a bit confused by some of their numbers. <br /><br />They say that the spellpower coefficient for Greater Heal, for instance, is naturally 161.35% - but that fully specced into Empowered Healing, it becomes 181.35%. The same for Flash Heal, which naturally gets an 80.68% spellpower bonus, but specced into Empowered Healing, it supposedly gets an additional 20%.<br /><br />What I don't understand, is that the Empowered Healing tooltip states that it provides an additional 40% of spellpower coefficient for greater heal, but the wowwiki numbers only indicate an additional 20% - and for Flash Heal its supposed to get an extra 20% but wowwiki only indicates an extra 10%. Is this due to some wonky multiplicative thingie or is it possible that their numbers are just wrong?<br /><br />the page is here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_power_coefficient<br /><br />I've been trying to put together a table showing the differences that amounts to at different spellpower amounts, but I'm confused by the discrepancy of the source.Miss Medicinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08722915845184864567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-69320647949397573842009-11-06T16:17:46.907-05:002009-11-06T16:17:46.907-05:00@ Jess: Post it up, let's see! I have no mat...@ Jess: Post it up, let's see! I have no math for why I dislike Lightwell, though. That tends towards the "arg, I clicked this damn thing, lost my target and the tank died!" *coughs*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-75544893298939063792009-11-06T15:51:43.306-05:002009-11-06T15:51:43.306-05:00@MoarHPS
oh noes! I would have liked to see the m...@MoarHPS<br /><br />oh noes! I would have liked to see the math too! You may find this shocking but I actually just did some math on greater heal while trying to make another post... And now I'm stumped. I am scared to post my maths because I am worried I made a mistake somewhere! But I'm wondering if it was similar towhat you were thinking before the Internet stole your calculations.Jessabellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10074600438832624102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-78950954098335952362009-11-06T15:38:51.547-05:002009-11-06T15:38:51.547-05:00...my big comment on why both Greater Heal and Lig......my big comment on why both Greater Heal and Lightwell aren't good for raiding got eaten. >_< It had math, I tell you! MATH!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-91425169346869240362009-11-06T11:13:25.608-05:002009-11-06T11:13:25.608-05:00@Chirri
This is an awesome idea. I foresee an end...@Chirri<br /><br />This is an awesome idea. I foresee an endangered talents post in the near future. <br /><br />@Edainne<br /><br />See, I have a lot of respect for those, like Codi at MoarHPS who can do hardcore maths because I get all flustered. <br /><br />You and Chirri have inspired me to start my own "cause" for Christmas - Save the Greater Heal!<br /><br />@Fish<br /><br />I actually posted a bunch of stuff about Renew a month or so ago... if i weren't totally lazy i would link it to you, but just do a search for pew pew renew on the main page. I think I should do some maths for it too, and compare it to druid HoTness. You guys are giving me all kinds of ideas for posts!<br /><br />Priests are pretty well balanced, but I think Shammies get a bad rap these days... I play Alliance side, so you really don't see too many. I recommend reading what some of the survey responders had to say about it though. It would be totally biased of me to tell you Priest all the way!!! But it is true that if you really want to heal, priests are a very solid way to go, because in one class, you'll get quite possibly the most healing variety since there are two specs.<br /><br />@Kayllnn<br /><br />That may be very true for the other healing classes. For holy priests though, there are soooo many different choices to make for an "optimal raiding spec" that mostly depend on what other healers are in the raid with you. Greater Heal does not get used very often in a raid, but it gets used a lot in a five man. More than anything, I'm just being cheap and don't want to respec until I know what kind of healer makeup i'll have in a raid I'll be in because that will determine what talents I pick up. I don't want to respec more than once. I hate respeccing on principle.<br /><br />@Erinys<br /><br />I haven't read a lot on the Dreamwalker fight yet - I still haven't decided just how much I want to spoiler myself, but I know some of the basics about it... as much as "heal the boss" anyway. I think you're right, and I think we will see a lot more use of Greater Heal for that fight - but I think what will happen is that more people (with the exception of those who switch spec every fight and min max out the wazoo) will pick up Divine Fury, but still skip over Empowered Heal. That's probably what I'll do.Miss Medicinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08722915845184864567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-27208639683769114992009-11-06T10:39:54.608-05:002009-11-06T10:39:54.608-05:00My problem with greater heal is that for the conte...My problem with greater heal is that for the content I raid as holy (mostly 25 mans) it's pretty much unnecessary. A lot of fail has to go on before I need to cast it on a tank and I just don't have the talent points to spare. I really feel the removal of downranking didn't help its cause either.<br /><br />The one place I do use it a lot is....err battlegrounds. Shadowmeld + well timed greater heals can be great fun. <br /><br />However, not having those points, (primarily the cast time reduction and empowered healing) has pushed me into doing 5 mans more and more as disc.<br /><br />I suppose this one reason why dual specs just isn't enough. I really want multiple holy builds for doing different things but need a disc offspec for raiding. <br /><br />Looking at the Valithria Dreamwalker "heal the boss" fight in Icecrown though I'm wondering whether we'll see an increase in raiding holy priests using greater heal again. Depending on whether Guardian Spirit is intended to work on her or not, I'm already playing around with a couple of possible greater heal centric builds to try out.<br /><br />Renew on the other hand, I completely adore and probably over abuse. Especially on any and every fight with predictable incoming damage which is pretty much all of them.<br /><br />I suppose this is why I love the priest class, we have so many different ways of getting the job done.Erinyshttp://harpysnest.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-62030131596767671042009-11-06T10:37:37.732-05:002009-11-06T10:37:37.732-05:00I have a question, for me it seems as though you c...I have a question, for me it seems as though you can accomplish your 5 man healing goals while in a full raid spec, so that when you do raid you don't have to switch specs, is this true? <br />I mean I tank on my druid all the time, and I am a full kitty dps spec, and it works out completely fine, just curious if it is that much easier to heal in a five man with these talents, and in your opinion are these talents completely useless in a raid?LawGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06246231174918604228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-10636008915253215762009-11-06T08:43:00.134-05:002009-11-06T08:43:00.134-05:00I'd love to hear your thoughts on renew. I don...I'd love to hear your thoughts on renew. I don't know if it's the druid in me (my first "real" healing class was a druid), but I just feel compelled to have a powerful HoT. <br /><br />I've been debating for some time Shammy vs Priest as my "preferred" healer. Priest seems to have a much more varied repetoire, but I dunno, I go back and forth. . .Fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17653252976648480240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-51427729604738794552009-11-06T08:21:04.023-05:002009-11-06T08:21:04.023-05:00@Miss Medicina
Actually, the concept of Lightwell...@Miss Medicina<br /><br />Actually, the concept of Lightwell's utility was the whole reason I started blogging in the first place. We were having guild chat discussions about how talent trees could be simplified and everyone seemed to think that lightwell was one of the top spells to be on the chopping block. It got to the point where I actually did some hardcore math (that's totally not my style)<br /><br />@Chirri<br />I know! People keep thinking that it's the same vanilla "lolwell". <br /><br />Is it too late to create "Save the Lightwell" and "Save the Greater Heal" campaign?Trinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02153827779769833088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-60306094044996684402009-11-05T23:24:06.659-05:002009-11-05T23:24:06.659-05:00I'd read for years that Greater Heal and Light...I'd read for years that Greater Heal and Lightwell were joke spells for Holy Priests - and it's driven me nuts because they're both spells that I love. Granted, Lightwell DID function as a joke for quite a while, but it was fixed years ago now and works beautifully when used properly (it could use some work, but it's not "useless" anymore, darnit).<br /><br />Educate the masses, Miss Medicina. Spread the good word about our under-used and under-appreciated spells! (Man. I really just don't shut up, do I?)Oh, you...https://www.blogger.com/profile/06080038915214785759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-25100158354388533612009-11-05T22:13:57.123-05:002009-11-05T22:13:57.123-05:00@Edainne
I'm the same way! When I'm raid ...@Edainne<br /><br />I'm the same way! When I'm raid healing, I'll drop Empowered Healing, but I keep Divine Fury to maintain my ability to tank heal when needed, especially if the tank healer goes down. I also keep lightwell - it really IS a good spell despite what many might say!<br /><br />Actually, Mongrr made a really good post on Save the Lightwell about the awesomeness of lightwell- you should check it out!<br /><br />http://savethelightwell.blogspot.com/2009/11/effects-of-failed-first-impression.htmlMiss Medicinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08722915845184864567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1775731721043763893.post-32331223481322960382009-11-05T21:42:54.397-05:002009-11-05T21:42:54.397-05:00I actually like having my greater heal reductions ...I actually like having my greater heal reductions in my raiding holy spec just in case a tank healer dies in the middle of the fight. Then again, I'm a holy priest who has lightwell in her spec, so what do I know ;) I think so long as you play it well, and can justify your choices at all, it's all good.<br /><br />*I trained my boyfriend to click when he's tanking*Trinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02153827779769833088noreply@blogger.com