I lied about Manor Lords
6 days ago
(What a boring title. Seriously, I tried to think of something clever, but I'm fresh out of clever this morning, so you'll have to settle for "thorough")
In my post regarding gems for priests, I tried to make it clear what your best choices are for each color slot. Essentially, if you want a red gem, your only real choice is spellpower, whereas if you want a blue gem, you can get spirit or Mp5. These are simplifications - each color is connected to certain stats, and you choose which of the stats you want from that color in various combos.
I bring this up because I don't think people truly recognize that Blizzard has designed much of the gear in a similar way - stats compete with one another for the same slot. I see a lot of questions in forums over which stat to prioritize, when in reality, you rarely have a choice over the appearane of a stat. If you are trying to prioritize one stat over another, you will probably have to be more focused on the ratio of the stat distribution
There was a discussion over on the plusheal forums regarding stat choice that left me vaguely frustrated and inspired me to post an explanation on this topic. I see too many people Missing The Point, so I'm going to give a very basic rundown of how stats on gear are distributed:
So, let's talk about these two crafted items. The other two epic crafted tailoring items whose patterns come from ToC are Royal Moonshroud Bracers and Royal Moonshroud Robe. As a tailor myself, I can tell you right off the bat that on my server at least, the demand for Merlin's Robe and the Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers are much much higher than the Royal Moonshroud counterparts. Why? Because Merlin's Robe and the Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers break that stat distribution rule.
Merlin's Robe has both critical strike rating AND haste - two stats that normally compete with one another for a slot on gear, and therefore rarely appear together on the same item. To balance this out, it has neither spirit nor Mp5. The same thing for Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers.
Off the top of my head, I cannot list for you other items that have both haste and crit, but that does not mean I am suggesting they do not exist. On the contrary, there are a handful of items that break the stat distribution rule of thumb. And because of that, they have always been in pretty high demand. What makes Merlin's Robe and the Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers especially enticing is that from what I can see on the cloth drops from ToC, none of the other items available at this item level break that stat rule EXCEPT for these two crafted items. (if you know of any others, please point them out to me!)
So, two major points to take away from this long-winded post.
In my post regarding gems for priests, I tried to make it clear what your best choices are for each color slot. Essentially, if you want a red gem, your only real choice is spellpower, whereas if you want a blue gem, you can get spirit or Mp5. These are simplifications - each color is connected to certain stats, and you choose which of the stats you want from that color in various combos.
I bring this up because I don't think people truly recognize that Blizzard has designed much of the gear in a similar way - stats compete with one another for the same slot. I see a lot of questions in forums over which stat to prioritize, when in reality, you rarely have a choice over the appearane of a stat. If you are trying to prioritize one stat over another, you will probably have to be more focused on the ratio of the stat distribution
There was a discussion over on the plusheal forums regarding stat choice that left me vaguely frustrated and inspired me to post an explanation on this topic. I see too many people Missing The Point, so I'm going to give a very basic rundown of how stats on gear are distributed:
- Item Level is an indicator of the summation of stat value. Each item is given a certain "budget". If you are comparing two iLvl 213 items, they will have the same budget, though their stat distribution may be different. One item may have more spellpower, while the other may have more intellect. In other words, the amount of the stat may vary, and therefore the proportion of the item's budget spent on that stat may vary between items of the same item level. The same stat is on both items, just in different amounts.
- In general, all relevant caster gear will have Stamina, Intellect, and Spellpower on it. What WILL vary is the budget allotted to each of those stats in proportion to one another - i.e. the budget ratio.
- In addition to these "ratio" comparisons, certain stats "compete" with one another for even appearing on an item.
- Examples include: Spirit vs. Mp5 and Haste vs. Crit. What this means is that if you see spirit on an item, it is unlikely the item will also have Mp5. If you see an item has Haste, it will probably not have Crit.
- This is the general pattern - here are the items that drop from ToC25 regular to give you an idea. Type in "cloth" in the "search within results" box to simplify it, and if you look through these items, you will see that the rules listed above apply.
- There ARE, however, some notable exceptions. I present for your pleasure Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers and Merlin's Robe.
So, let's talk about these two crafted items. The other two epic crafted tailoring items whose patterns come from ToC are Royal Moonshroud Bracers and Royal Moonshroud Robe. As a tailor myself, I can tell you right off the bat that on my server at least, the demand for Merlin's Robe and the Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers are much much higher than the Royal Moonshroud counterparts. Why? Because Merlin's Robe and the Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers break that stat distribution rule.
Merlin's Robe has both critical strike rating AND haste - two stats that normally compete with one another for a slot on gear, and therefore rarely appear together on the same item. To balance this out, it has neither spirit nor Mp5. The same thing for Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers.
Off the top of my head, I cannot list for you other items that have both haste and crit, but that does not mean I am suggesting they do not exist. On the contrary, there are a handful of items that break the stat distribution rule of thumb. And because of that, they have always been in pretty high demand. What makes Merlin's Robe and the Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers especially enticing is that from what I can see on the cloth drops from ToC, none of the other items available at this item level break that stat rule EXCEPT for these two crafted items. (if you know of any others, please point them out to me!)
So, two major points to take away from this long-winded post.
- If you are trying to prioritize one stat over another, how you do this depends on the stat. For instance, if you want more haste, you will usually be choosing haste over crit. However, if you are trying to pick up more Intellect over spirit, it doesn't exactly work that way - Intellect will be on all items, whereas spirit competes with Mp5. This kind of fine tuning is better done through gems.
- If you want to say "screw you mana regen! I'm disc! I'VE GOT BUBBLES, gimme more haste/crit", you need to specifically seek out items that have both haste and crit on them, because they are exceptions to the rule, and not incredibly common. At current max gear level, your best (and possibly only) options are the two crafted items, Merlin's Robe and the Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers.
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I think your end conclusions are spot on, but I don't agree with some of the middling analysis. Specifically, the demand for Haste/Crit items doesn't come from the fact that they break the general stat rule (although they do). It comes from the fact that any Haste/Crit item is itemized almost entirely towards throughput and not at all towards regen. We're at the point in the gear cycle where mana is really not an issue, so casters want bigger, faster spells.
Basically, if you can find a piece without regen on it, keep it around.
Jess,
Penance Priest actually has lists LISTS I tell you! He's broken down BiS for Disc Priests one with Haste, one with Crit & the other with both on it.
He recently posted one for 3.3
Check it out!
*cough* Illumination *cough*
@Juzaba
Sorry, I meant "demand" more in the economic sense, i.e. supply/demand. The inherent value of a haste/crit item for throughput was sort of just assumed. I could have been a bit clearer about that. I wasn't actually trying to talk about why haste/crit is a valid combo to pursue, but rather why it can be difficult to get it.
I don't really think people stand around craving an item because it "breaks the rules", heh
@Fuubaar
BobTurkey has lists like that too :) I don't really follow BiS guides though.
@Fricassee
oh god. take it away before I drown on my own drool please.
@ Jess
You just asked for more examples of Crit/Haste combo gear
You asked & I told
*creeps back into the shadows*
@Fuubaar
What the hell are you talking about woman? You expect me to remember what I typed/posted/wrote whatever? What is wrong witchoo?! You know me better than that.
*cough*
Cookie?
I love the pieces with crit and haste. I love and use both stats so that just makes it easier for me! I don't mind losing the spirit. If I need more regen, I'll stack some int.
@ Jess
NO!
/smacks cookie on the floor
Your cookies taste bitter from the confusion you have just caused me...
What were we arguing about again?
Owww a cookie on the floor.
More accurately all pieces have SP/Int/Stm on them and the remaining two stats can be Spirit/Mp5, Crit, or Haste.
There are many pieces with Crit/Haste on them, those two stats don't necessarily "compete". In fact most BiS disc pieces are these types of pieces. The neck off Twins, Gloves off Anub, crafted bracers.
Aside from tier gear I'd say that caster gear is evenly split between Spi/Crit, Spi/Haste, and Haste/Crit gear.